Wednesday, October 12, 2016

Mormons seeing the man behind the curtain


Professor Dale Tuggy has presented a two-part podcast on Mormonism entitled "Mormons seeing the man behind the curtain," part 1 being here and part 2 being here.

After giving a fascinating review of everything Mormon, from its history to some of its most current issues, he applies the same dilemma facing Mormonism to the Evangelical Christian community.

These are very enjoyable to listen to, especially if you've ever been interested in Mormonism and its attendant issues.


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Friday, June 13, 2014

Comparing Saving Schemes


“What must I do to get saved?”


So asked a doomed jailer to the Apostle Paul. (Acts 16:30) Paul’s response was swift and clear:

“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will get saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:31)

This response though has been convoluted over the centuries with people proclaiming different Jesuses to believe in. Which Jesus will save you? For instance, over time there have appeared three different Jesuses: the one preached by Paul, one preached by Trinitarianism, and another as proclaimed by Mormonism.

At this point, please consider two words and their meanings: hamartiology and soteriology. “Hamartiology” is the theological term for the study of the doctrine of sin. It derives from the Greek words hamartia, “missing the mark” or “sin,” and logia, “discourse.” Conversely, “soteriology” is the theological term for the study of the doctrine of salvation. It derives from the Greek soterion, “salvation.”

Now a presentation of Biblical (and by extension, Pauline) hamartiology is in order. Succinctly, it is the following: Adam was created as a sinless, perfect soul in the Garden of Eden that he was given. (Genesis 2:7, 8) He transgressed when he ignored divine warnings and joined his wife in stealing a symbol of divine sovereignty, the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Bad. Consequently, they lost access to the “Tree of Life,” a physical representation of eternal life. By losing eternal life, they died and spread death to their offspring. (Genesis 2:16, 17; 3, 5:5; Romans 5:12, 14) In accords with King David’s words at Psalm 51:5, the passing on of sin from Adam to succeeding generations is a result of the recognized law of heredity. (Job 25:4; Romans 3:23) According to divine justice as expressed in the Law of Moses, soul was to be given for soul. (Exodus 21:23; Leviticus 24:18) Since Adam was created as a sinless soul, another sinless soul had to be given in exchange as a ransom: this ransomer would have to correspond to Adam by being a sinless man. Therefore, the Apostle Paul at 1 Timothy 2:6 used the word literally meaning “corresponding ransom,” antilutron. The ransomer would have to voluntarily surrender what Adam lost by his disobedience in Eden, perfect human life. Nothing more, nothing less is required to avoid upsetting the soteriological balance. Thus, it was Jesus as the second and last Adam who emptied himself of divine glory (Philippians 2:7) to become what Adam lost: a sinless, perfect human life. (1 Corinthians 15:45) This, his sinless perfect human life, he voluntarily surrendered and sacrificed. Thus Biblical hamartiology is seen to be lucid and free of contradiction.


So how does the Mormon and Trinitarian Jesus stack up to the Biblical Jesus? Is one of them identical to the Biblical Jesus? Below is a table comparing all three:

Biblical (Pauline) Hamartiology
Mormon Hamartiology[1]
Trinitarian Hamartiology
Both Adam and Jesus were perfect, sinless humans.
Adam was nonmortal with spirit not blood and unable to reproduce.
Jesus was mortal with blood
and able to reproduce.
Adam was a perfect human.
Jesus was a divine person with his human nature in hypostatic union with his divine nature.
Soteriological scales are balanced.
Soteriological scales are unbalanced.
Soteriological scales are unbalanced.

As seen in the Mormon soteriological scheme, Adam is actually superior to Jesus: thus there is no salvation in this version of him.

Contrarily, Trinitarianism does the opposite, making Jesus superior to Adam. Thus the results are the same: the soteriological scales are unbalanced and deliver no salvation.

Interestingly, Paul also issued warnings that different Jesuses would be promulgated.[2] An example of this is seen at Ephesians 4:14 which states that “we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes.” (NET Bible) This has a footnote that says in part:
The point is that the author is concerned about Christians growing into maturity. He is fearful that certain kinds of very cunning people, who are skilled at deceitful scheming, should come in and teach false doctrines which would in turn stunt the growth of the believers.
This cunning, deceitful scheming then was fulfilled first with Trinitarianism and then later with Mormonism, stunting the spiritual and intellectual growth of their adherents and blocking the way to the Biblical Jesus by replacing him with counterfeits.

Fortunately, the true Jesus is still accessible. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in him and explain why in very clear and lucid terms from the Bible.


Footnote:
[1] A Review of the Mormon Canon, Part IV: Mormon hamartiology: a “different gospel”? www.jimspace.000space.com/more-mon/A_Review_of_the_Mormon_Canon.pdf

[2] Paul was also concerned about his fellow Christians being deceived by “arguments that sound reasonable [πιθανολογία, pithanologia].” (Colossians 2:4) Here a NET Bible footnote insightfully points out “that even though the arguments seem to make sense (sound reasonable), they are in the end false. Paul is not here arguing against the study of philosophy or serious thinking per se, but is arguing against the uncritical adoption of a philosophy that is at odds with a proper view of Christ and the ethics of the Christian life.” (italics added)

Additional reading:
  • Adam and Jesus on scales image from You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth (1982) page 63. Now out-of-print.

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Wednesday, April 02, 2014

Apo-lava-getics


Definition: The systematic defense of a position (apologetics) that produces more heat than light, along with obfuscating steam and/or smoke.

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Defending Trinitarianism jimspace3000.blogspot.com/2012/01/defending-trinitarianism.html

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Friday, October 15, 2010

The Laws of Physics, Scripture, and Things that are Impossible for God.


“All things are possible with God” said Jesus. (Mark 10:27; Matthew 19:26) At the same time, it is “impossible for God to lie.” (Hebrews 6:18; see also Romans 3:4) Clearly then, Jesus meant this hyperbolically. For instance, not only is it impossible for God to lie, and by extension create lies and deceptions, it is also impossible for him to create a god that is more almighty than he is. That is absurd and laughable, yet it illustrates that Jesus’ declaration has reasonable limits to its application. Considering how he used a certain phrase and his descriptions of nature will demonstrate this.

The phrase “flesh and blood” is found three times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. The first use of it is by Jesus in Matthew 16:17, where he said: “Happy you are, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did.” By this contrast, we learn that “flesh and blood” refers to human nature, which is not found in heaven. If his Father, God, was flesh and blood as well, that would make his contrast quite defective. This observation would refute the Mormon position that God has a physical body and spirit blood, for such a doctrine would dilute the force of Jesus’ contrast and consequently make him a very poor teacher.

The other two occurrences of this phrase are used by Paul, in 1 Corinthians 15:50 and in Galatians 1:16. Both are used in the same sense, referring to human nature. Notice how this is applied in 1 Corinthians 15:50: “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.” Regarding this contrast and the meaning of the phrase “flesh and blood,” Adam Clarke’s Commentary states:

This is a Hebrew periphrasis for man, and man in his present state of infirmity and decay. Man, in his present state, cannot inherit the kingdom of God; his nature is not suited to that place; he could not, in his present weak state, endure an exceeding great and eternal weight of glory. Therefore, it is necessary that he should die, or be changed; that he should have a celestial body suited to the celestial state. The apostle is certainly not speaking of flesh and blood in a moral sense, to signify corruption of mind and heart; but in a natural sense; as such, flesh and blood cannot inherit glory, for the reasons already assigned. (italics original)

This agrees well with another description of Jesus, found in John 8:21, 23: “I am going away. … Where I am going YOU cannot come. YOU are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. YOU are from this world; I am not from this world.” Or, as the Bible in Basic English renders the last part: “You are of the earth; I am from heaven: you are of this world; I am not of this world.” Thus, Jesus here was declaring the same principle Paul later declared in 1 Corinthians 15:50, human nature is restricted to the earthly realm. Consequently, when he said “I,” he was referring to his being, his soul, not his physical body.[1] After his resurrection when he appeared with a human body, he was now being controlled by his spirit being, his physical body being a manifestation for teaching. This is seen in the account where he appeared suddenly in a room without entering through a door, which was locked. (John 20:19) During his ascension when “a cloud caught him up from their vision” (Acts 1:9), his physical body was then discarded, like he had done before entering the room.[2]

Regarding Jesus’ human body, Jesus himself explained to his disciples what would happen to it. This account is recorded at Matthew 16:21-23 and at Mark 8:31-33. Without going into detail as to what he said exactly, both versions of this event merely say that Jesus would die and then be raised three days later. Matthew’s version though quotes Peter rebuking Jesus, saying in verse 22: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this [destiny] at all.” With that, both versions have Jesus responding with a swift, stinging counter-rebuke, “Get behind me, Satan, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” (Mark 8:33) Now, did Jesus believe that his human, physical body would be retained after his ascension? Since Jesus said his physical body belonged to the lower earthly realm, he must have known such a thing is impossible. (See also Psalm 115:16, which Jesus must have read, that declares that human nature can only live on earth, not in the spirit realm.) This agrees with Paul’s statement in 1 Corinthians 15:50, and Adam Clarke’s comment that ‘human nature is not suited to that place.’ God cannot create contradictions and lies. He cannot create square circles or freezing infernos. He cannot make a physical body inhabit the spirit realm. This axiomatic observation refutes the Trinitarian Hypostatic Union and the Catholic Assumption of Mary[3] doctrines. Regarding the former, a very embarrassing and negative situation exists. Trinitarianism is like Peter rebuking Jesus, “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this destiny at all: you will retain your handsome physical body and it will not be forever mangled or executed!” Jesus’ counter-rebuke would be the same: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.” (Matthew 16:23) This rebuke from Jesus to Trintarianism is unavoidable.

Thus, in review, we can clearly see that both Mormon and Trinitarian theology, along with the Catholic doctrine of the Assumption of Mary, runs counter to the Laws of Physics that Scripture agrees with. These (the Laws of Physics and Scripture) are two witnesses that rise and refute those doctrines. A third witness is Jesus, who reveals them to be stumbling blocks and thoughts of men alienated from God.—2 Corinthians 13:1.

Footnotes:
[1] In the Bible, the soul is the person, as Adam was a soul and did not have a soul. (Genesis 2:7; 1 Corinthians 15:45) Since Jesus however was from heaven and after his resurrection existed as a spirit creature, his soul is more expanded than with ours in that his life or being was not restricted to physical human life. Simply stated, our body is our soul because this is our life.

[2] To assert that Jesus retained his physical human body would be to contradict his earlier teaching in John 8:21, 23. It would also introduce an absurdity and an abstraction, like a two-dimensional being ascending to three-dimensional space and retaining his two-dimensional body. It is absurd and impossible.

[3] This doctrine teaches that after Mary “completed the course of her earthly life, [she] was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory.” (Apostolic Constitution of Pope Pius XII Defining the Dogma of the Assumption, Munificentissimus Deus. November 1, 1950. Paragraph 44. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_p-xii_apc_19501101_munificentissimus-deus_en.html) Again, this is analogous to a two-dimensional being ascending to three-dimensional space and retaining his two-dimensional body. It is absurd and impossible.


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Friday, September 03, 2010

Verses that seem to prove the Trinity

These explicitly declare that 'the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one God', eternally! This surely should call to mind the popular Shield of the Trinity diagram!

They read:
  1. And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.
  2. And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.
  3. Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.
Fantastic! These should end the debate here and now. Excellent!

But where are these scriptures from? Surprisingly, the first two are from the Book of Mormon: 2 Nephi 31:21 and Mormon 7:7 respectively, and the third is from the Mormon scripture Doctrine and Covenants at 20:28.

Yet, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) identify the Trinity (or Godhead) as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, but with a different intention than the Nicene faith. They regard these three as individual members of a heavenly triumvirate, completely united with one another in purpose—each member of the Godhead being a distinct being of physical form (God the Father, Jesus Christ) or spiritual form (The Holy Ghost.)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Non-orthodox_Trinitarianism

Confirming this, a Mormon apostle even declared: "We declare it is self-evident from the scriptures that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate persons, three divine beings." (Jeffrey R. Holland, “The Only True God and Jesus Christ Whom He Hath Sent,” Ensign, Nov 2007, 40–42 link)

So, Trinitarianism rightly rejects Mormonism, but the most explicit expressions of Trinitarianism are Mormon, and Mormonism rightly rejects Trinitarianism.

As my friend Solomon Landers said,
Strange that to find an explicit declaration of the Trinity in a holy book, one has to go, not to the Bible, but to a "heretical" scripture.

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Friday, August 13, 2010

Carl Sagan on belief


In 1986, the late Carl Sagan (1934-1996) published these comments in his national bestseller book, Broca’s Brain: Reflections on the Romance of Science:
(Page 332)
Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those that make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.

But not always. One prominent American religion [clearly referring to Jehovah’s Witnesses] confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and—while the events of that year were certainly of some importance—the world did not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, “Oh, did we say ‘1914’? So sorry, we meant ‘2014.’ A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren’t inconvenienced in any way.” But they did not. They could have said, “Well, the world would have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth.” But they did not. Instead, they did something much more ingenious. They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn’t noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or (page 333) they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration was needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.
Let’s break this down:
One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914.
It was calculated that the ‘seven Gentile Times’ would end in 1914. How that would effect the world was not completely understood. For instance, The Watch Tower issue of October 15, 1913 stated on page 307: “We think of October, 1914, as, in round numbers, the ending of the Gentile Times. …We say that according to the best chronological reckoning of which we are capable, it is approximately that time—whether it be October, 1914, or later. Without dogmatizing, we are looking for certain events: (1) The termination of the Gentile Times—Gentile supremacy in the world—and (2) For the inauguration of Messiah’s Kingdom in the world.” (italics original)

This modesty was expressed early in 1914, as seen in The Bible Students Monthly (Volume VI, No. 1, published early in 1914). There, the one taking the lead, Charles Russell, wrote: “If we have the correct date and chronology, Gentile Times will end this year—1914. What of it? We do not surely know. Our expectation is that the active rule of Messiah will begin about the time of the ending of the lease of power to the Gentiles. Our expectation, true or false, is that there will be wonderful manifestations of Divine judgments against all unrighteousness, and that this will mean the breaking up of many institutions of the present time, if not all.” He emphasized that he did not expect the “end of the world” in 1914 and that the earth abides forever, but that the present order of things, of which Satan is ruler, is to pass away. (Jehovah’s Witnesses: Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom, page 635.)

Notice also what Russell announced on Friday morning, October 2, 1914, as he strode into the dining room at Bethel in Brooklyn, New York: “The Gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day.” It was not, “the world will now end,” or something to that effect. (The Watchtower, November 1, 2007, page 24.)
Well, 1914 has come and gone, and—while the events of that year were certainly of some importance
That’s an understatement! The pre-1914 world, with its romantic ideals of the future, came to a crashing halt. “The events that took place from and after the year 1914 C.E. are well-known history to all, beginning with the great war that erupted, the first world war in mankind’s history and the first to be fought over the issue, not of the domination of Europe alone, nor of Africa, nor of Asia, but of the domination of the world.” (Insight on the Scriptures, “Appointed Times of the Nations,” page 135.) (italics original)
the world did not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended.
Depends on which world you’re talking about. Russell never meant planet earth, rather he meant the termination of “Gentile supremacy in the world.” (See the 1913 Watch Tower above.) However, related to this prediction was a hope of entering heaven. It is this hope that was premature and that did not materialize.
They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn’t noticed, that was our lookout.
Does this claim match with history? On the contrary, The Watch Tower of April 15, 1916, stated on page 127: “We believe that Gentile Times have ended, and that God is now allowing the Gentile Governments to destroy themselves, in order to prepare the way for Messiah’s Kingdom. The Lord did not say that the Church would all be glorified by 1914. We merely inferred it and, evidently, erred.” This sums up the post-1914 reaction perfectly. Mr. Sagan is thus guilty of misrepresentation.
It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all.
Based on the above, it becomes rather transparent that Mr. Sagan has, intentionally or unintentionally, constructed a straw man. While his description of Jehovah’s Witnesses and 1914 is sensational and easy to drink down, it simply does not square with reality, specifically, with the total gravity of World War I starting in 1914 that he willfully ignored. It was also quite myopic to focus on the hopes of 1914 alone in a vacuum. Obviously there were other teachings of this religion that carried its members through the disappointment of not entering heaven. Did he take the time to research those? If he pondered them, then his sensationalism would have settled down and he would not have found it as “astonishing” that the faith survived.

It must be noted that Mr. Sagan was evidently agnostic. Agnosticism is unsure if information comes from a mind or not. That is patently absurd, as is atheism, the belief that information does not have to come from a mind. It is agnosticism and atheism that produce transparent evasions to the truth that information has to come from a mind; therefore it is astonishing that those have any adherents at all.

Regarding his introductory challenge, “doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those that make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions,” we have seen that the prediction of the world changing in 1914 was correct. Likewise, we have seen that the predictions of agnosticism and atheism have proven false—as information can only come from an intelligent source, a mind. By way of comparison, deism can make no predictions, theism has made correct predictions, and agnosticism and atheism have made false predictions. Therefore, theism is more compelling.
religions are tough.
This is correct. This applies also to agnosticism and atheism. Some belief systems have been completely dismantled and refuted, like Mormonism, Trinitarianism, even agnosticism and atheism. Yet, these are tough-minded systems that continue to flourish.

Disbelief is easier than belief, until the disbelief becomes a belief. Atheism is a disbelief that has become a belief. It has become as tough-minded as refuted religious systems like Mormonism and Trinitarianism.

near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.
Again, this is also true of the belief system of disbelief, agnosticism and atheism. It is also true of the unscientific religions of Mormonism and Trinitarianism. But it is not true of the scientific theism of Jehovah’s Witnesses, who place scholarly, scientific readings of the Bible over loyalties to the fallible doctrines of man.

This presentation has not only exposed the contentions in Broca’s Brain as less-than-cerebral, but it has also turned the tables on it, using its arguments against agnosticism and atheism, and vindicating theism in the process.

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Answering a fool in harmony with or “according to his foolishness” in the sense of resorting to his degrading methods of argument puts the one so doing in agreement with the fool’s unsound reasonings or ways. In order not to become like the fool in this respect, we are counseled by the proverb: “Do not answer anyone stupid according to his foolishness.” On the other hand, Proverbs 26:4, 5 shows that answering him “according to his foolishness” in the sense of analyzing his contentions, exposing them as being ridiculous, and showing that his own arguments lead to entirely different conclusions from those he has drawn can be beneficial.

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